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Location:

Alpine,NY,USA

Member Since:

Jul 15, 2007

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Olympic Trials Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

Began running after 26 years of sedentary lifestyle and four children. Took my first 5 hour 10 minute marathon down to sub 3hr in 2 years.

Short-Term Running Goals:

My new goal is to get back to where I was a few years ago; running mainly for enjoyment (and not just to reach a specific time standard) and to reach the highest level of fitness/speed that I feel is possible for me while maintaining a balanced lifestyle.

Long-Term Running Goals:

Conquer the last 10k of The Marathon.

Personal:

Stay at home mom to four kids, married to Matthew, live on a 130 acre farm in Upstate NY.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
994.5078.3039.7022.500.001135.00
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
15.000.000.000.000.0015.00

State College, PA. ty day. jogged a 10k race(41min). then jogged/climbed Mount Nittney. sick.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
0.000.000.000.000.000.00

off

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.000.000.000.005.00

Rte 228.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
7.000.000.004.000.0011.00

2mi wu, 4 x 1000 + 2mi easy + 3 x 1000 + 2.5mi easy
5:30 am. raining. alone. just under 3:40's with 2:30-45 rest jog. felt fairly easy, just don't seem to have any more speed than this right now.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
17.000.000.000.000.0017.00

A.M.  Gaige loop. easy 7mi

P.M. Thunderheads run. awful! wicked hilly course. coudn't keep up.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Going to give this running blog a try in hopes that checking in on R.M. occasionally will inspire me like it used to! been using athleticore, but they don't have spell check. I like all these options. So, first entry kinda boring.

Kelsey/Shuler loop. easy. strides & drills. hope to feel more rested for tomorrow's Thunderheads Triplehump long run.
 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Shuler/Cayutavilile loop

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
20.000.000.000.000.0020.00

Met Michael at 6:15am  for a 5mi warm up before meeting the guys(Boris, Tom, Eric, Adam) for Triplehump. Except for trailing behind on the beginning hills, I maintained the pace easily. a few measured miles on the Skunk course at 7/mi. Glad that that pace feels like jogging again. best run I've had in ages. shin only slightly painful.

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Comments
From Paul Petersen on Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 17:18:51

Welcome to the blog, and good luck with your OTQ! Do you have a marathon picked out for your attempt?

From Maria on Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 17:47:08

Welcome to the blog! You're officially the fastest female marathoner on this blog (Sasha will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure) :). Your name looked familiar, and then it clicked - you're also logging on athleticore! How did you find Sasha's blog?

Anyway, good luck with your training. This site is awesome, really great community and you get a lot of good comments and advice.

From Katie on Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 18:09:58

Hi, Paul and Maria.

Not sure yet the proper way to reply to comments. I'll work on figuring out how to do it properly!

Yes, I have been keeping a log on Athleticore, it was to make it easier to communicate w/coach.

A past training partner sort of led me to this blog and since I am now coach-less, I thought I'd give it a try. So far, so good!

No marathon picked out yet, have to get into shape first.

Nice to meet you and thank you for the welcome!

-kt

From Lybi on Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 12:03:52

Yea! A super-fast woman with 4 kids! Awesome. Welcome!

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 12:45:49

Maria - yes, Katie is currently the fastest woman on the blog. Michelle Lowry was faster back in college in shorter distances, but as of right now, Katie is in the lead. Katie - your marathon PR is 2:59:02 in Country Music in 2004, right?

As a side note - I have been passed by a mother of four children in a marathon before at mile 23, and I did run 2:41:54 in that race! That was Cheryl Harper, Hawk's wife.

Katie - from what I see on Athlinks, assuming the info is correct, it does look like you have a lot of speed - 17:53 5000, 10:50 3000 on the track. Your recent half (1:20:55) started to catch up to what that speed deserves this year, that is a good sign. You might be ready to hit a qualifier now if you tried, but all the marathons around are hot. Maybe train some more and wait until the fall. St. George is a good place to do it, it is closed, but you should be able to get in as elite runner.

From Katie on Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 21:30:37

I've had two stress fractures this year that have left me not-so-fast. I hope to be in decent shape by the fall though.

I did notice St. George was closed. Do you think they would let me in? I could use the gravity, for sure!

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 19:37:42

Katie - it is worth a shot. E-mail your resume to leisure@infowest.com.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
9.000.000.000.000.009.00

A.M.   FLNF. 1:15 (guess on the distance) nice jog. felt super. trails are in awesome shape this year.

P.M. 2000y swim(37min) + 2 sets upperbody, core, PT exercises

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
15.500.000.000.000.0015.50

A.M. Shuler/Cayutaville loop. 10. very slow. 25 min just to warm up. shin pain 5. bettter once warmed up.

P.M. 5.5 w/FLRco. group. slow. @ Cass park.felt much better than am. shin pain almost gone in right leg, a little better in left(4). sacrum 3.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.000.000.004.000.0010.00

5:30pm, CU track.  
In the company of  joggers and 4 CU guys doing the same workout(but faster) they had lane 1, I took lane 2.
2mi wu, 4 sets 4 x 400m/200m rec, 2min between sets, 20min cd + foot drills
85, 84, 84, 85/ 86, 85, 85, 84/ 85, 85, 85, 85/ 85, 80, 80, 84
(the 80's were unnecessarily fast(but way fun) w/one of the guys)
JK says to forget the watch and simply run 16-20 comfortably fast "fartlek-like 400's". That was exactly what this workout was. not too hard, not overworking, just good fun speed-play. 20 would have been too many this time and faster would have hurt. Not sure if I want to do more or do them faster next time. I think my shins and back benefitted from taking the morning off.

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Comments
From Brent on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 22:59:43

Welcome to the blog. Don't understand all your workouts. Good luck in your pursuit of the OT Qualifier. It will be fun to watch your progress. Sasha seems to have the St.George correct. There will likely be other women there trying to break the OT qualifier wall that you may be able to pace with.

B of BS Rools out.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M.  ug. so tired this morning. Kelsey/Gaige loop(6). very slow.

P.M. Filmore State Park, Forge the Gorge trail race, short loop(4mi) w/Anna(9), then 2mi looking for Billy(10) who missed the short loop turn and ended up running the long race(7mi?), 2mi back w/Billy(hard to keep up!) Actually covered @8mi but much of it was hiking with Anna.  

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Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 18:06:30

I assume Anna and Billy are your kids, right?

From katie on Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 19:47:32

You got it. All four of my kids like to run trails, rarely do they want want to race though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.000.000.000.005.00

Rte 228

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
19.000.000.000.000.0019.00

Hammond Hill, Thunderheads. 3 x 6+ plus strides

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Cass/Black Diamond. fast finish.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M. Gaige loop. 6
P.M. Taughannock Falls + grass 6

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Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 13:48:13

As a bit of trivia - last week you ended up third of all the runners on the blog, male or female in weekly mileage. What kind of training did you do when you ran 2:59?

From Katie on Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 21:33:42

Good question.

I had to look it up.

Looks like I ran very consistant 75 mile weeks for 6 weeks leading up to the 2wk taper, 50-60 before that and a couple of 80 mile weeks in late Nov-Dec. So, much less mileage than I do now.

I had this very intense coach. We typically ran 2-3 workouts per week, more often 3, even on "easy" weeks, I would do more intense workouts and simply run less mileage on the easy days.

We did everything!

-200's, 800's, mile repeats

-tempo runs(4 x 2mi)

-10 mile MP/10k workouts where you'd run a mile at MP and then a mile at 10k pace.

-15k-10mi Anaerobic Threshold run(slightly slower than marathon pace)

I also did much cross country skiing that winter on top of my running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.250.000.003.750.0014.00

9:30am. CU track. w/Boris, Adam.  5 x 1200. 4:16, 4:16, 4:16, 4:17, 4:20/400 recovery on the first 3, 600+ on the last. very hard to finish last one. cooldown on grass.
Then to PT. shin pain way down before the run and almost completely gone after PT.

6pm; FLRco. w/group. slow. they said it was only 5 miles. tired legs, both shins a little sore but feel much lighter on my feet since PT session this morning.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M. Gaige loop. left shin/calf very painful. ran VERY slowly.  ice/ibu

P.M. Cass/Black Diamond grass/trail w/Nancy K. shins much improved, energy much better

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

am: Gaige + Meck, 7, very slow.

pm: IHF treadmill. too hot outside. 5mi, 8-10mph. hr 118-135

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.007.000.000.000.0018.00

5:30 a.m.: w/Patar & Mark, Ithaca,
6mi wu, 3 x 2mi(12:44)/2min jog, 1mi 6:02, 45min cd
Ran like a metronome. felt strong and steady(just a bit slow) felt great for the cooldown, wanted to run more and do some strides/drills but Patar needed a ride home.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Shuler/Chapman. slog. stayed out too late last night. both shins still painful(5) but very slightly improved w/new insoles.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
13.500.000.000.000.0013.50

A.M. GVH-EDT, Rochester w/team. dang hilly trails. shins feeling better. 64min

P.M. 5mi. Rte 228, slow. shins still good. wow.  

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.000.000.000.000.006.00

Gaige loop. intended to take the day off. I really need to work on my self control. This is supposed to be an easy week, going to try to keep it under 60. 1 workout, a 22mi jog and a 10k on Sunday but otherwise easy jogging and less of it. Shin is steadily improving. I can hardly believe it. hopefully it will last.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
14.000.000.000.000.0014.00

A.M.
JK's pre-race workout
4 x 400(45sec rec) 2 x 800(1:30 rec) 1mile(3:00 rec) 2 x 800(1:30 rec) 4 x 400(45rec)

Not so great. woke up not wanting to do this, especially alone. should have finished by 8;30am rather than wait til then to get started. carpooled w/NK to Watkins Glen where she did repeats of the gorge to prep for Pikes Peak and I used the track. 
The workout is supposed to start at 10k pace and get progressively faster and maybe if the morning didn't get progressively hotter, that would have been okay. windy/humid.

WU, 25min + drills
81, 82, 82, 81, 2:50, 2:50, 5:55(!*!? should be 5;40-45) 2:52, 5:52, 81, started to feel chills & swelling hands(?) quit at the 200(41) jogged around slowly for 10 minutes, then did 3 x 200m, 40, 39, 37(200m rec) short cooldown.
A little dissappointed w/my splits. was quite a bit faster over the winter(indoors) maybe the heat, humidity, wind and being alone......anyway, I'm not going to worry about it much, this is a pre-race workout. the race is what matters this week.

P.M. 4mi treadmill, 40min weights.

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Comments
From Ally on Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 21:32:47

Whoa I am really impressed with your running! Taking a marathon down to sub 3 in 2 years, thats amazing. You must be a really hard worker, way to go.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 16:16:38

Katie - I wonder if you may be a bit overtrained, or rather, under-nourished in some way (low on iron?). You have been putting in good miles, it is hot, and with 4 kids to take care of it is easy to miss some critical recovery procedures.

From katie on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 17:13:38

Sasha, please explain.

Of course, I've been accused of being over-trained, but this mileage and level of intensity is not new to me and actually a bit less than what I normally like to do(check out my athleticore log) I'm positive I'm not undernourished and I always refuel just after running. I test iron levels 1x yr and it always checks out okay.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion @ my training. I'm impressed with your training and your ability to quickly recover.

I'm not working with a coach right now; they usually want me to do even more than what I'm currently doing. Right now, I feel like I have to only listen to what my body is telling me.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 17:39:47

Katie - what is the URL of your athleticore log? I might be able to figure out a way to import everything here to be able to follow it easier.

I've actually had a similar symptom (shaky hands) on the last mile of the Top of Utah Marathon in 2004, and for no good reason. It went away after the finish after I had a good meal, and I was doing fine after that - ran back a mile to meet a friend and pace her, then a few hours later we were driving to the awards ceremony, got stuck in traffic, they give money only at the awards ceremony, so I got out of the car and ran half a mile at about race pace, felt good. Sometimes you are taking foods in, but your body for some reason (virus, extreme heat, fatigue, etc) not absorbing the nutrients.

I've been watching your training for the last couple of weeks. So far, looks OK, no bright ideas on how to improve it on my end, I usually get them after seeing a month or two of training. My initial thought is to do more tempos and less track work, but I do not know if this works well for everybody. However, I believe this is a safe choice when training for a marathon.

From Lybi on Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 17:51:44

Swelling hands are indicative of dehydration and/or heat stroke. This is based on information given after my hubby was picked up by an ambulance during a race. Please be careful.

From Katie on Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:08:30

Lybi, I agree my hand swelling/chills were probably dehydration/heat related more than a nutritional issue.

Sasha, last week was my first tempo run for this training phase(could barely manage MP!) Threshold running is priority from here on. I like to incorporate it into my longruns every other week and do one track,hill or fartlek workout.

My training so far(post-injury) has been what I would consider early phase(hills, rep, base building)

http://www.Athleticore.com. you can find me on the mileage board.

Also, I re-evaluated my diet. You might be right afterall, I may not be eating enough. I'll gladly work on that!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
7.000.000.000.000.007.00

Ithaca w/Matt, 7/mi

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
22.000.000.000.000.0022.00

QC Trail. 5:45 am. alone. perfect conditions. long slow jog. all easy paced(3hrs) water only. Shin pain barely noticable. sacrum only bothersome when bending down. 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.000.000.000.000.006.00

Gaige loop w/MA. good company but legs felt like cinder blocks. maybe due to pt.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.000.000.000.005.00

FLRCo. w/Katie & Sherry. shins better than yesterday.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Race: The Great Race (6.2 Miles) 00:37:27, Place overall: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.006.200.000.0011.20

Great Race 10k, Auburn, NY. 1st F. 37:27(PR) started a little fast, should know never to hang w/Murphy H. quit pushing toward the end when I knew it was mine. probably lost 10-15sec after mile 5. really need to work on that and learn to chase down the guys. Overall I'm very happy though. haven't felt this relaxed in a race in forever. Our relay team placed 10th overall which also isn't too bad. Really fun day. Post-race recovery: ice cream, cake, wine.  will get back to business tomorrow.

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Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 19:02:26

Congratulations on a PR! What kind of course was it? What was the old PR, and what kind of course?

From Katie on Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 11:05:11

My old PR was 37:48 at Beach To Beacon in Maine 2005.

I have run as fast during tempo runs on the indoor track last winter(8k-10k at 6/mi often during high mileage(110-120) but now it is official. Both courses were similar, even the temps were similar, as I recall. B2B had more competition and I was more rested and tuned up to race that time, this race was rather low key.

From Michelle on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:26:59

Congratulations on your race. Your training and your marathon training is inspiring too! What marathon are you targeting for your OT qualification?

From Katie on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 14:34:42

Thanks, Michelle.

Your PR's in 5k-10k are faster than mine. I wish I had some speed to couple w/my endurance!

I'm not sure what kind of marathon-shape I'm in right now. At least, not enough to really target any given race. My Plan is to jump in a few marathons over the next 6 months and wait for the day in which everything seems in place rather than target just one.(seems I have bad luck with weather, hormones and the timing of broken bones)

So, my first attempt is Sept. 9th in Erie, PA. I don't feel quite ready for a fast one, but it will give me an idea of where I am and what I need to work on.

From Michelle on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 16:38:48

My PR's are almost 10 years old now. I would just love to break 20 minutes in a 5K now or 41:30 in the 10K. Your blog actually had me going to google to check out Olympics qualifications to see what it was for marathons. Turns out its 2:47, right? So what is your age? I am 30. Do you know when women peak for marathons? I heard it was in the late 30's but I don't have a source for that. I guess I should hop on Google again.

From Sasha Pachev on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 18:12:52

Michelle - there is no certain age. Tatyana Poznyakova PRed at the age of 47 with the time of 2:29 although she raced competitively pretty much her entire adult life.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M.  T-Falls w/NK. easy.

P.M. Treadmill(sick of being in the sun) started off at 8mph but went progressively faster to finish at 10mph. feeling really light on my feet today. energy good. shins okay. 

*weights, upperbody, core, PT exercises.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

A.M. 5mi, Taughannock falls. easy.

P.M. 6mi, Ithaca trails w/FLRCo. group.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
17.000.000.003.000.0020.00

A.M. Taughannock Falls, Gorge Rd., 2.5 wu(20min), 6 x .5mi hills(Gorge Rd.) 3.5mi cd(30min) + drills/strides. very good effort. effectively turned my legs to mush on the hills but recovered enough to get in a good session of strides/drills and decent cooldown. shin only stiff, sacrum - 0

P.M. 8mi w/MA. mostly jogging around, some 6:30-7min.
sleepy all afternoon but legs felt pretty good and lithg tonight, after I warmed up a bit, faster running felt natural and fun.

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Comments
From sarah on Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 23:19:45

Hi...I'm Sasha's wife....the owner/programmer of the blog..First time I've read your blog...I'm VERY impressed with your goals and times. How old are you kids?

From Katie on Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:22:02

Hi, Sarah.

Don't be so impressed. Some mothers knit or sew, I just run, and sometimes, my children(ages 14, 12, 10 and 9) are neglected. I'm a stay-at-home mom and so, have a schedule that is flexible enough to accomodate all my jogging around. You are the one who is impressive for having the willingness and patience to be married to someone who runs even more than I do!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A .M. Gaige loop

P.M. Gaige loop. backwards. a little sore from PT

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
14.000.000.000.000.0014.00

A.M. 6mi  treadmill. could not escape the children this morning. 2 extra.

P.M. 8mi. Cass, Black Diamond trail. feeling surprisingly good for day after PT.

+ 3 sets upperbody weights, core, pt exercises.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
14.000.006.000.000.0020.00

A.M. w/Katie & Beth. 10mi jogging @ Ithaca RecWay,  then 3 x 2mi Cass Park(@1min rest jog). forgot my watch so don't have any idea about splits, felt like I was working my tail off though. the girls did 7-7:15 pace and so were not even close for me to be able guage myself. 4mi  back to the track. w/1mi to go I felt 100% totally done running. depleted. grumpy. recovered a little to do a few strides/drills on the track then walked back to car 1/2mi. shin/sacrum all good. legs really tired today though. 

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Comments
From Randy on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 13:40:51

Point one! Give me a break :).

Just kidding. Nice mileage.

From Katie on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 14:43:12

Oh, sorry Randy. It was actually supposed to be .2 cuz of the 10k. My mistake!

I think the fact that I count everything "unmeasured" as an 8 minute/mi pace(which is undoubtably a bit slower than what I'm actually running) and the fact that my legs are 1/2 the length of yours should rightly give me more mileage than you this week.

I'm not going any higher than this for now though. I'm attempting a marathon on Sept 9th, so 1 more week of @100 and then I'll come down a bit.

From Jon on Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 18:12:15

What marathon are you doing Sept 9?

From Katie on Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 06:36:54

Presque Isle in Erie, PA.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M. Shuler/Meck w/MA.

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5.000.000.000.000.005.00

A. M. T-Falls. easy. left shin feels buggered up again. debating taking the afternoon off.

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P.M. IHS Track. cool temp, windy, alone.

2mi wu, 3 x 2mi threshold(12:12, 12:12, 12:00) 2 min rec. jog, 2 x 1000(3:30, 2:27) 3 min rec, 2 x 800(2:46, 2:45)

An old JD workout, was supposed to be 4 x 2mi T but wasn't sure I could handle that much plus the I paced running, at least, not alone and unmotivated as I was. Paces were acceptable for me, within the range I thought I could hit. Very tired, slow cooldown. GI trouble rest of night, so no refueling.

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From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 16:16:36

Good workout, very tough, possibly too tough, at least would be for me pro-rating the intensity, especially the 2x800. Do you think GI trouble came from working too hard, or did you just eat something bad?

Applying this to myself, I would be OK with 3x2 mile, but then if I were to do the 2x1000 and 2x800 at 5 K race pace afterwards, this would probably be counterproductive. If I needed some faster running I would just hit the last 800 of the last 2 mile really hard instead. But you might be different.

From Katie on Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 12:33:33

Sasha,

This workout was given to me by Jack Daniels while he was coaching me a 2yrs ago(although, then I did 4 x 2mi T)

It takes several workouts to build up to this.

He often had me mixing threshold and interval paced running. It isn't as hard as it sounds.

Try it! : )

The GI trouble is common with me after hard workouts, especially evening workouts.

It may well have been from working too hard, except that I wan't trying to hit any specific paces, only running what "felt" like tempo and Interval pace, this method usually eliminates the temptation to try and hit certain predescribed paces resulting in overworking.

From Sasha Pachev on Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:33:58

I think the workout would be doable for me if I did not cheat - very honest threshold for the 4x2, and very honest 5 K pace for the 2x1000 and 2x800.

An interesting observation - if I were to do this workout, I would hit the 2 mile intervals in around 10:50, and feel in control. Based off that, this gives us a difference of 10 seconds per quarter. However the thought of doing 2x1000 in 3:05, 3:02, followed by 2x800 in 2:26, 2:25 afterwards makes me want to throw up, this would be extremely anaerobic, closer to R pace in Daniels terminology. And that in spite of the fact that I am at altitude, which should make the shorter intervals relatively easier. Which goes to show that relative to me your interval pace is doing much better than your threshold. I do have a high threshold, though - my max HR is 175, while my threshold HR is 163.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
14.000.000.000.000.0014.00

A.M. Gaige/Meck

P.M. Gaige/Meck *backwards
-feeling a little low on fuel but otherwise fine. shins okay. sacrum hasn't hurt a bit since 2 PT visits ago. 

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From Michelle on Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 10:34:37

I would be interested to know your pace on your workouts that are not speed, if you would record them.

Thanks!

From Katie on Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 12:20:09

I'm afraid that I do not know nor am I interested in my speeds when I'm not doing specific training.

I often don't time them. I jog. slowly. I relax. I get in miles and I enjoy them. Probably between 7-8 minutes/mile. sometimes slower. rarely faster(unless I'm on a treadmill, in which case I have no self control and enjoy making a game of increasing the pace throughout my run, there's just something about running 10mph around a bunch of gym-bums that stirs a desire for speed in me!)

Honestly, I would rather not know what pace I'm jogging except when I am on the track, doing a specific workout, or racing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
8.000.000.000.000.008.00

A.M. Cass w/MA. a handful of strides and 2mi at MP, mostly jogging.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
15.000.000.000.000.0015.00

A.M. 9mi. Danby trails w/NK. slow. feeling off today, weak, tired. same as yesterday I guess. so much for getting in miles this week.

P.M. IHF treadmill. kept it reasonably slow. light arm weights, core, PT exercises.

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7.000.000.000.000.007.00

A.M. @Cass, Ithaca w/MA. slow.

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16.000.000.000.000.0016.00

2mi wu, 12.5mi 6;15-6:45/mi., 2mi cd.
20k in Mass. planned on running quit a bit faster. Heat, hills and running alone reduced this to a Thunderheads quality longrun effort(except that I made $100 and had a fun camping trip in Cape Cod in the process of this one)
Quite disappointed that I wasn't willing/able to put out the effort today, until I saw that the top guy barely ran 5:58/mi (@30sec slower than his MP) I think I'll just forget this one. 
I had hoped this to be an indicator for my marathon in 2wks. not so(or at least, I hope it's not so!)
Still no luck finding someone to run w/me in Erie. After running 20k alone yesterday, I know that I do not want to run 26.2 alone in Erie any more than I want to run with 10,000 people or more in a larger marathon. It's a quandary.

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From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 13:34:45

If you want a marathon in two weeks, you can try Top of Utah in Logan,UT. I heard they treat female elites very well. It is about a 2000 people marathon. Prize purse is $1000 - $500 - $250. About 1000 feet of elevation drop starting at about 5500 feet, most of it in the first half, but very gradual. When you get a decent tailwind in the canyon, time-wise it is like Boston. There should be some people to run with naturally, but we might even be able to find you a personal pacer from the blog which would come very handy if the wind is blowing the other way - we have a strong group in Logan.

From Katie on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 14:43:30

Thank you, Sasha.

I am registered for Presque Isle in Erie, PA. It's only 4hrs from here. Less travel is usually better for me. Erie is a very small race and no prize money, but ideal for fast running, (except for the fact that there aren't many fast people there) There will be a few men trying to qualify but no women(according to the race director) There might be a handful of men running in the 2:40's.

From Michelle on Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 16:30:00

Will the Erie director give you the contact info for those with similar projected times so you can network before the race and get a feel for who to run with during the event?

From Michelle on Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 08:26:47

Will the Erie director give you the contact info for those with similar projected times so you can network before the race and get a feel for who to run with during the event?

From Katie on Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 21:08:58

Michelle,

The director did give me an idea of how many might be running a pace similar to my own but that's never a sure thing. I have now found someone who might run with me though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
9.000.000.000.000.009.00

A.M. 30min jogging Tfalls, grass

P.M. Gaige loop

felt like any other day, don't seem to feel tired from yesterday.

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A.M. Gaige loop. felt great. flying today.

P.M. 4mi Ithaca w/MA

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
4.000.006.500.000.0010.50

2mi to Cass, a couple strides, then 10k+ solid tempo, 39min.
GPS said 6.7mi, I think not, maybe 6.5mi.  Honest tempo effort. perfectly even splits on this 2mi+ loop(13min each) 
I'm pleased with this workout, especially considering that I have a nasty cold, didn't get much sleep and was loaded up on meds.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

a.m. Gaige loop. a little quick.

p.m. Gaige loop, backwards.

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Took the day off. no jogging. no cross training. 
My shins were painful just walking around, this cold isn't getting better(at least not quickly), just didn't feel like going through the motions today.
With a marathon 9 days away, I couldn't convince myself that slow jogging would benefit me more than a day of complete rest.

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11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

5mi.
*^!*! felt terrible this morning.So much for a day off benefiting me.
cold. slow. sore shins. I planned 30min wu, 2mi T, 30min cd.
First 1/2mi in 3:26 convinced me to shut it down and not bother today. It was only supposed to be an easy "keep the engine running" type of workout, but it didn't feel like it was going to be easy.
maybe this afternoon.

P.M. 6mi Gaige loop. felt much better. at least normal.

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Comments
From Michelle on Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 12:08:31

With the marathon so close, your training is already in the bag. You just need to keep strong mentally and you'll have a good tempo again before the marathon to keep your legs' memory of your pace.

Make sure you get enough sleep between now and then.

From josse on Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 12:11:08

Wow that is pretty amazing about your running accomplishments, how did you so it? That 3 hour maked still eludes me.

From Katie on Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 20:11:44

Thanks for the uplifting comments, girls!

Sleep is certainly as much a priority this week as is running, you bet!

Sub 3...I don't know how I did it! It's been 3+ yrs and I still haven't repeated that performance! With luck, it will be next weekend!(I'm Irish, I count on some luck)

From josse on Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 20:24:45

I always fell bad the week before a marathon and think whats going on. I do think it all depends on the day, and everything in the universe has to be aligned just right. Or just think it and it will be (which is hard) but the power of the mind is amazing. GOOD LUCK!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
12.000.000.000.000.0012.00

A.M. Rte 228, slightly rolling,
7mi w/M.A.(53 min) then straight into 5mi progression run (31:26), started @ 6:45/mi, don't know splits for midddle 3mi but the last mile I knew and was unbelievably under 5:40. Not really sure where that came from, it was mostly downhill though, felt like tempo, recovered quickly. Now, if I could just shake this cold and get my shins feeling better .... 

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7.000.000.000.000.007.00

1hr easy @ Ithaca.

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4.003.000.000.000.007.00

Rte 228
2.5mi wu, 3 x 1mi @ easy threshold pace w/2 min rec jog, 1mi cd

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.002.000.000.000.008.00

11:30 am. CU track.
20min slow jogging around, 4 x 800 MP(400 rec) then 30min more jogging around. bored to tears. the 800's were slow. 3:11. hard for me to find MP on the track. I see red and want to fly and mp is so inbetween fast and slow. I forget if I'm supposed to be working hard or taking it easy. stayed on the slow side today on purpose. Anyway, so glad I found someone to start me off at Sunday's race.
Spent the morning shoveling manure to create new perennial garden. amazing the things one can accomplish when not exausted from running AND the kids go back to school. I'll need to be careful not to expend too much energy doing extra activities, a few more hrs in the garden tomorrow and then I'll rest.

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From Michelle on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 19:34:28

I would advise you to get a good book (but not a great book, that could prevent you from getting the sleep you need) and not do gardening. I have been working in my yard all summer, and it definitely adds to fatigue, especially if you are in the sun. Since this is the week of the marathon, be careful! The work can wait a week. Or just force yourself to 2x1/2 hour sessions with a bottle of water after each one and rest in between for that which must be done.

From Katie on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 20:41:05

Thanks, Michelle.

You're right. Sometimes I feel like I need permission(or direct orders) to allow myself to rest. I'll take your advise. The garden can wait. I am nearly coming out of my skin w/extra energy already though and there are 3 days yet to contain it! I'm reading Angela's Ashes, I'll make it a goal to finish it before race time.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
4.001.000.000.000.005.00

4mi easy, last mile at mp. total: 36:09
legs are starting to itch. 

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Rte 228. 16:30 out, 14:30 back. 6 x 10 second strides.
miserable. fat. can't wait to get back to running.....rebuilding by base, hill repeats, a speedy indoor track season....training for the marathon is so much fun. It's too bad the race itself is such a bump in the routine.

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Ithaca RecWay w/group. easy w/strides. last weeks cold and uti seem to be all cleared up. shins ok. feeling good. ready.

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Erie, PA. 65 degrees. steady rain. light breeze.

1mi warm up trot. 13.1mi of the race.
AW came along to pace me, took it out way too slow, 7/mi, not sure why he did that or why i allowed it. i trusted he would do as i asked and keep it slow as in 6:20-30, at mile 1 he abruptly dropped the pace, next mile was 6;22. hit 10k at 40:06 which would have been right on had we not taken the first mile out so slowly. AW dropped out at the 10k and planned to pick me back up at the 1/2.
Next 10k had me at 1:18, I felt super. 6:15's-20's and i kept telling the guy i picked up "easy. let's relax. fast enough." and we did relax. but we were still cruising. it was sweet.
By the 1/2 I was beginning to feel tired. 1:24:15. again, that would have been fine but for the first slow mile. I was still thinking, "I'll make it up later. No worries."
AW jumped back in but slowed the pace to 6:40's. i got pissy. missed one of my bottles. got more pissy. felt more tired. rain fell hardrer. I got more pissy. slowed pace even more. stomache turned sour. tried to quit at 16. AW said no. 17. he said 1 more mile. my gut is churning. mile 18. I said,"ok. let's just do it." 19....19.5 I quit. just can't keep the rhythm for more than 2 minutes without getting pissy.
walked back to the van. sopping wet. hands swollen and purple. energy drained. stomache wrecked. ego smashed. legs feel fine.
no fuel from 12-18 could have been a factor in my deterioration. as could steady rain. unsteady pacer and recent illness.
So, I'm thinking, I'll call lit a solid longrun and try to tuck away the fact that it's really a DNF and another failed marathon for me.
I'm thinking i'll go to Detroit w/MA. 6 wks is enough time to get my game back together. Isn't it?
but now, I have a fever again(caused by last weeks uti or a new cold from yesterdays stress, i don't yet know) so I'll get healthy first then spend a few weeks doing some tempo and longer stuff. keep mileage under 100. try not to get injured.
I wish TOU was next Sat instead of 6 days from now, I'd give it a go.
Any more downhill marathons around?

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Comments
From Michelle on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 06:58:51

St. George. Their registration is closed but they do let some people in if you call and hit the right person at the right time, it could be worth a couple of phone calls trying. They might give special consideration because of your OT efforts and elite status.

From Michelle on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:17:31

Sorry I had to post last comment quickly before my run. I didn't get the chance to comment on your race. From the sound of it, you need to leave your pacer if they aren't doing the right pace. He might have gotten the hint if you pulled out.

You also can't plan on a stellar race in the rain. It is like running an uphill marathon.

I know you can do it, Katie! Just find another race and focus on the next one.

From Jon on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 15:05:04

Are you feeling bad enough that TOU is not a possibility? Did the race take a lot out of you?

From Katie on Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 07:22:43

I do not think 6 days is enough recovery time from a 19 mile marathon paced run. So, TOU is out.

I'm going to attempt to get into SGM. I'm contacting the race right away. Since I don't have any recent fast races, I'll have to just hope they will allow me in based on my training and the real possibility of my hitting a OT qualifier.

From jtshad on Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 18:12:02

There are a few other marathons that first weekend of October including Portland and City of Trees in Boise, ID that still may have room to register (I know COT would).

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11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

9am w/NK. Catherine Valley Trail. 7:45-30/mi.
feeling pretty good. quads a little sore/tight but energy and shins ok. will take tomorrow easy  like today, fartlek on Thur. longrun on Sunday. I want to jump the mileage back up but will hold back for fear of injury. my history of stress fractures is too vivid for me to ignore. 

 

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40 min elliptical. weights/core. shin very bad. going to see pt tomorrow.

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Comments
From Michelle on Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 22:48:25

Sorry your shins are not cooperating! I'll say a prayer for your shins, but you better get to that PT anyway :)

From katie on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:32:31

Thanks, Michelle!

It feels slightly better this morning. I am still going to stay on the elliptical today though and go see my PT.

So, I got entry into SGM. I guess I'll give it a try. They allowed me to enter race, but no perks. I'm extremely grateful.

I still need to find somewhere to stay and transportation to and from the race and would love some tips on SGM course strategy.

From Michelle on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:08:02

That is great news! I hope to see you there! Note on the announcements that there is a pre-race party where you can meet fellow bloggers.

I am a novice myself, though I have been running with veteran St. George marathoners for years, so all summer I have been peppering them with questions to try to get my own strategy straight. I am sure there are many bloggers that can give you advice. I'll give you what I have heard as time goes on if the experienced bloggers miss something.

I am staying in a cheap motel where we have one king and my husband and I and our three boys, so crashing with us is not a good option. You can check out Mesquite for rooms. Cedar City may also have availability.

From Jon on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:15:38

Paul, Clyde, and Holt can give course strategy the best, I think. And they may have an idea for where to stay. In general, you want to be careful to not go out too fast- the first 7 miles are a pretty good downhill (deceptively fast), followed by 6 miles of uphill or flat. Going to fast on the first bit can kill your legs for the the last half. Negative splits are better. But ask their opinions. Sasha, James, and a few others have run the race multiple times, too.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:37:05

First half is naturally about 2-3 minutes slower than the second. So a true even effort will give you 2-3 minute negative split.

We have enough people in St. George on the blog, between them and their friends/family members , we should be able to find something, at least floor space.

From Michelle on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 13:06:09

The two things about St. George that may be a concern are altitude and downhill training. I am looking at an awesome elevation map that I assume they have on the St. George website which shows the starting elevation is pretty high. I think you live in the east somewhere which means low elevation? If you want to acclamate to the elevation and can come early, you might want to come and stay for a week. You can stay in my guest bedroom if you would like (My home is at 6005 elevation). Does one week of high elevation help enough to justify coming early? I am not sure, but perhaps its worth researching.

Also have you been doing downhill training? If not, it might be too late to get in much training, but perhaps some downhill could get you better prepared. Perhaps some experienced bloggers can comment on whether you should pound some downhills in the next week or so. Hmmm.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 13:38:57

I think downhill running is a very much muscle memory type of thing. I used to do a lot of downhill training, but have cut it down quite a bit recently. So last summer I've done nothing to train for a downhill except run in downhill races. Based on my Alta 8 K experience, I'd have to say that I have not lost my downhill ability.

From Katie on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 15:40:52

Thanks for the info all!

My PT said stay off the leg for a few more days, the ultrasound indicated that my bone is "stressed". So I'm sticking to the elliptical for a few more days. I have a history of stress fractures and don't want to risk this "stress reaction" turning south.

I'm not too worried, I feel very fit and don't think a few days off will set me back. The elliptical machine isn't really so bad.....

I do live in Upstate NY but I sleep at 9000ft w/my Higher Peak generator! My friend borrowed it for a few months before doing Pikes Peak and she didn't notice the altitude there, so I think it must work.

I love downhill running. If my shin heals quickly, I'll get in some long downhills on dirt roads just to be safe.

I need to check on details of traveling. I'd love to be able to stay somewhere close to the race on Friday night if anyone will allow me some floor space, I'd be grateful. I'll try to fly into LasVegas Thurs. afternoon or early Friday.

Does anybody really camp at the start of the race?

From Jon on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 16:02:48

I did water running for a while when I had a stress fracture- I liked it more than elliptical, though you have to do intervals to work hard enough.

Where did you get the higher peak generator? Is it nice? And we wonder why people accuse runners of being weird... (myself included)

Downhill runs are great for St. George- especially at the end of a long run, so you practice downhills when your legs are shot.

From Logan on Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 13:28:22

You are more than welcome to stay at my parents' house if you would like. Just let me know.

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Shuler/Culver loop. 37 min. shin pain still very localized, still a little scary, but I'm going to assume it's not a stress fracture. from a 9(Tues) down to a 3-4 with no Ibu. Iced and stretched after the run.  I'll stay on soft surfaces and keep the mileage low to be on the safe side though. Sill going to wait until Monday before buying airline tickets.

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Set out to jog my 10mi loop(Kelsey/Cayutaville) planning to go easy and totally prepared to call it quits early if my shin acted up. I don't know the mile markers on this course(not really even sure if it's 10 miles; gps says 11, car says 11, mapmyrun says 10.2) but I do know where I usually am at certain points. I kept hitting all these points way ahead of my usual pace, ended up running the loop way faster than I ever do(1:13) still felt super, didn't feel like quiting so, grabbed a drink of water and headed back out to do it again. Shin got 'twingy' 3mi into the second time around so I took my foot off the gas and cut it short.
Practiced MP 'feel' on the downhills. Going to look into airline tickets now : )
Anybody flying into LV want to carpool to SG?

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Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:06:24

Katie - most bloggers are either in St. George already, or are driving down from Northern Utah. However, we have one that is in Las Vegas (rdrunner), and I think he is coming to the race, also, James (jamessunnyaz) and Lybi are coming from Mesa, AZ, and will be going through Las Vegas, so they could possibly time it right to pick you up.

From Mik'L on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:12:28

There are also a few shuttle services from LV to SG...St. George Shuttle and St. George Express.

From Michelle on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 14:55:22

If you haven't bought your tickets yet, you might also consider going through SLC if you can't find a ride from LV.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

A.M. Culver loop. 5mi. easy

P.M. Gaige loop. 6mi. 43min.  shin(4) ice. ibu.
*Not sure how to train between now and SG. I keep changing my mind between thinking that distance/endurance is key to wondering if I've got the endurance already and maybe VO2max/Threshold would benefit me more...

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From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 16:14:32

I think your threshold is good enough. I would focus on marathon pace running and proper downhill form.

From Jon on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 16:41:18

Especially the downhill... when you are tired...

From Katie on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 18:08:59

Okay, guys. I was going to do a 10k tempo run tomorrow. Instead, I'll do a 15mi run w/10mi of MP, the second 1/2 downhill. I have the perfect crushed gravel/dirt trail(Catherine Valley Trail, Montour Falls, NY) Thanks for the input. You're right, This type of run will also give me a chance to practice drinking while running MP too, something that was difficult during last weekends flop.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
4.009.000.000.000.0013.00

Didn't go as well as I would have liked. slow on everything. the surface of the trail might have slowed me @10sec/mi  and I'm not 100% certain about the distance...but this was still pretty slow(to slow to record!) had to focus to keep turnover going on the downhill.
3mi wu, 4.5 mi all uphill(tired near the turnaround) then back down 2min faster.
1mi cd + drills
Brought to home how conservative I'll have to be on the uphill of SG in order to have something for the 2nd half of the race.
Anyway, either I'm still tired or I need to do some faster running or...maybe i'm just not as fast as i'd like to be. hmmm.
I'm thinking I'll take tomorrow very easy then do 800's on Thursday and jump in a 14k hilly race(+ mileage before and after to =20mi) on Sunday.

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From Michelle on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 18:04:19

How were the shins?

From Katie on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 21:30:12

The shin. well,,,since I first started running 7 years ago, my shins have been a problem. If only someone offered tibial replacement surgery.

I'm staying on soft surfaces, keeping my mileage low, icing after each run(3x5 minutes) and taking 2x 400mg Ibu/day. So far, the problem area is holding up. I go see the PT again on Thursday.

Since I believe it was caused by the 20mi in racing flats on roads, by avoiding similar stress, it should improve. right?

From Michelle on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 22:34:19

20 miles in racing flats? I haven't ever tried that, I would think that might make most people hurt. I wouldn't call your mileage "low" but these things are relative.

I take 800mg per every 6-8 hours when I am hurting, so you are often taking less than me. I just verified that 800 mg per dose and 3200 a day is the maximum to be taken by an adult, but it looks like we should take as little as is needed.

Did you get your plane ticket yet?

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 22:53:51

For St. George, just relax and go what feel like a pace you can hold for the marathon. If you do not get a TQ, you will still likely get a PR, top ten finish, and the invitation to come back next year with a $150 travel stipend. If you get to the half with fresh legs even in as slow as 1:27, the second half has so much downhill that you could still qualify. James Lander ran around 1:11:30 in the first half, and then closed with a 1:06 last year! 4-5 minute negative split is less than ideal on that course, but not at all uncommon. Ideally, you would go through the half in 1:24, and then close with a sub-1:23.

From Katie on Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 04:15:46

Michelle,

Yes! I bought my plane ticket. Will you be at the blog-party?

I'm trying not to OD on Ibu so that I know what's going on w/the leg.

Sasha,

I had hoped to be at least 1:24 at the half. Do you think the first 1/2 is similar to a flat 1/2, with the downhill negating the uphill? Or should I expect to be less speedy on the first 1/2 than in a normal marathon?

I think going slow enough to not be taxed by the incline section will be vital for me.

From Michelle on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:01:47

Yes I will be at the blog party, but not the whole time. I want to try to time going to the party when lots of people will be there. This will perhaps be the only time I will ever be able to meet you face to face, at least between now and the 2012 OT :)

I run with a big group from my county only two of which are on the blog (Tom and I) and they do a party/dinner as well. My husband is also pretty shy and doesn't think hanging out with my virtual friends sounds like a fun evening. So what time do you think you will be there? I'd like to meet you before race morning!

From Katie on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 11:16:32

Michelle,

I am hoping to arrive at the expo @ 4pm and to the party by 6pm but won't want to stay so very long(I like going to bed embarrassingly early!)

So, the 2012 OT's, eh? Sweet.

From MichelleL on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 17:36:50

No crime to dream I hope! If you can't dream it, you can't do it!

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10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Kelsey/Cayutaville loop. 1:14:30. conservative uphills and relaxed but quick down. ice, ibu. shin pain(3-4)

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5.000.004.000.000.009.00

Cass Park, all grass, fartlek.
6 x 3:00/1min rec + 2 x 2min/1min rec + 2 x 1min/30sec rec 2mi cd
felt like @ 5k pace. shin okay. no worse anyway.  

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Gaige loop. 43min. shin about the same. ice. ibu. teetering on fine line of getting in mileage just enough to stay fit and keeping leg from totally falling apart.

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From MichelleL on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 21:33:55

Did I mention yet to make sure you bring pictures of your children? I assume your family is not travelling with since you are so far from here. You'll get to meet mine in all their glory :) Three boys :

From Katie on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 16:31:23

Hi Michelle!

Certainly, I will have pictures of my kids(most definitely not the kids themselves!)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Shuler/Cayutaville w/MA. fast downhills. wicked shin pain. ice + ibu. there'll be no second run again today. 

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15.005.000.000.000.0020.00

Watkins Glen Gorge + Catherine Valley Trail w/Matt & Adam.

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From MichelleL on Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 15:13:40

So how did the run go? Shins just have their normal pain?

From Katie on Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 16:09:55

The run was okay. nothing spectacular. My shin was not really an issue during the run, about a level 3 pain. I iced afterward, no ibu.

But today(Monday), it's a little worse, and so, I decided to stay on the elliptical machine.

I'm really amazed(and over-the-top-happy) that it's holding up as well as it is. I'm sure now that I'll make it to SGM.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
3.000.000.000.000.003.00

20min elliptical, 25min jogging on grass. planned on more elliptical but kids, dinner & not feeling well got in the way.

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grrrr....another bad run. wanted to do 10k tempo. first mile felt hard. quit after 1.5mi(9:40)
Then tried 400's thinking some speed would wake me up. wanted to do at least 8. ended with 6 x 400/200rec. all very slow. 84-85's(usually sub 80) head not in the game. legs/body feeling drained. not feeling too good about SGM.

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From ArmyRunner on Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 21:12:04

It is ok to feel bad this far out. Realize that you have done the training and will be ready at St. George. When the body recovers you will be ready to roll just don't let this shake your confidence. Don't try to force faster times right now just go with what the body wants to do and you will come around before the race. You are in the taper phase and it is normal to get worried right now about every workout and such. Better to feel this way right now as it will not last long and by race day you will be itching to go. See you at the bloggers pasta party on Friday.

From Katie on Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 18:40:03

I hope you are right!

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Loop around Cayuta Lake. 2:04. pretty hot and tired last few miles. should have brought fuel.

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From MichelleL on Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 14:51:32

Yeah, 12 is about my threshold where I feel it if I don't get fuel I feel it.

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1:15 jogging @ Ithaca waiting for oil change. mostly grass. shin slightly more bothersome. back to ibu.  2xdrills

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From ashman on Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 09:55:36

Cut the mileage way down if your shin is bothering you. I promise you will not lose fitness. I had similar issues last spring and afterwards I started running PRs. I noticed on your tuesday entry you said you were feeling drained at your speed workout, also another sign possibly. Just friendly advice so take it for what it is worth.

From Katie on Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 10:26:50

Hey, Thank you for the advise. I think it's worth a lot, I only wish I had seen it on Thursday and not 3 days later!

It's so hard to cut back more than I already have(I like weeks in the triple digits) but I think you're right.

My legs felt tired yesterday during and after my 3mi tempo. For some weird reason, I've also dropped a couple pounds in the last month, not that I didn't need to, but it's strange that it coincides with lower mileage and could be why I feel slightly drained(5'1-99lb)

So, I am taking today(Monday) off(only 45min elliptical + stretching) and will taper more than usual and seriously carb-load in prep for SGM.

My shin is so much improved though, that I doubt it will be even a slight issue during the race. Staying on dirt/grass and skipping intense workouts seemed to do the trick.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

A.M. Gaige loop. 42min.

P.M. 2mi wu, 10 x 100m strides, 2mi cd

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A.M. Gaige loop

P.M. Gaige loop. again. slower.

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Meck/Cayutaville loop
-not so great.
Jogged w/Matt & John first few miles, then(according to mapmyrun) 2.88mi in 6:04/mi on Co. 6. felt faster...or...well...felt harder than 6/mi . I thought this was a 3mi section(felt guilty cuz I backed out of doing a 5k today at the last minute) shut it down after the tempo and slowly shuffled home 5mi(39min)
still fighting a cold. body goes from feeling great to feeling taxed from walking up stairs. Guess I'll cut back to what I did before Erie marathon now.

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From MichelleL on Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 15:32:50

I will be driving the course Friday afternoon/evening after going to the expo but before dinner, probably 5pm-5:30pm. Since you may be shuttling in, I wanted to offer you a seat in my very stylish (not) minivan, if you don't get another offer. If you email me at michellelowrycpa at gmail dot com I'll give you my cell phone #.

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0.000.000.000.000.000.00

45 min elliptical + core/stretching 15min suana.

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7.500.000.000.000.007.50

Gaige/Meck loop. Fartlek. 2-3min on/off speedplay. little faster than MP feel. still fighting cold. shin hardly noticable.

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From MichelleL on Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 23:29:10

Great news about the shin!

Was it a bad cold? I don't remember you posting about it. Make sure to get plenty of sleep!

From Katie on Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:51:25

I think I've had 3 colds in the last month! They're not too bad, mostly just annoying.

@the shin, yes! It is great news! I'm utterly amazed that it's healing so quickly. The initial diagnosis was so dire. I think the ice baths were key to the speedy healing. It's not 100%, but good enough that I won't be able to use it as an excuse if I run poorly!

From MichelleL on Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 16:07:22

There will not need for excuses, just celebration!

Do you do visualizations of the race? I just saw the pictures of each mile on the St. George Marathon page. I have been doing visualizations of how the race will be like before going to bed, and the race always goes just splendidly! So nothing can go wrong, right?

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7.500.000.000.000.007.50

Gaige/Meck. all easy paced jogging.

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Gaige/Kelsey loop. slow. felt terrible. typical. probably due to the 10# weight gain incurred over the last 24hrs. I'm certain.
Okay, out the door. headed to Utah. almost forgot to pack sneakers. not good.

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Valley of Fire, Utah.
(post-wedding jog)

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From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 22:01:35

Katie - you have now officially become a lost sheep :-) This is a new feature on the blog, check it out. I do have plans to add the ability to sync up with Athleticore, though.

Race: St. George Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:50:45
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1.0025.200.000.000.0026.20

The entire race was perfectly paced for me, except for the last mile(which was 8 minutes of dragging a dead carcass through town) and 2x crouching behind yucca plants to...you know. Except  for the GI trouble, the race felt really super and relaxed until the last 5k where I tried to push but to no avail. I was spent.

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Comments
From Tom on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:08:01

Congrats on the race AND on the wedding! Wow that makes for quite an eventful weekend.

Kim and I enjoyed meeting you and your newly-wed husband at the party. And as spectators this year it was great to see you and others from the blog come into the finish line. Although it sounds like you were spent you looked great at the finish.

From ArmyRunner on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:29:33

Congrats on both the race and wedding. The good news is you should be confident in your ability to make a OTQ in the near future.

From Dave Holt on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 14:49:20

Good race. What is the next race and your qualifier?! Good to meet you at the dinner.

From Maria on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 15:03:03

Great race, Katie! Was this a PR (I assume it was)? You can definitely get a qualifier , if not for next year's Trials, then for the next cycle. Very inspirational that you can train at this level with 4 kids.

From Jon on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 15:07:33

Not many people have only a few things go bad in a race (last mile, yucca plants)- which shows that your training has been great! You still have plenty of time for your OTQ, and this race will make you that much stronger! Keep on running!

From josse on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 20:02:45

Great job on the marathon. Tell me your secrets, if you have any. I'm glad you got to come and experience St. George.

From MichelleL on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 20:37:32

Congratulations on the 9 minute PR! It was quite a feat but you had this race coming for a while. I hope you are able to bounce back well and target another race soon. You'll have to let us know how your shins are doing.

It was great to meet you and Matt at the blog party. I am so glad you were able to come out and experience the St. George Marathon with us. I hope your legs aren't as thrashed as mine are.

From Ruthie on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 00:05:54

You are so fast. When I met you at the blog party, I hadn't really looked at your blog and didn't really know how AMAZING you are! It was great to meet you and your new husband. (Congrats, again!) I know you'll continue to improve - OTQ is only 3 minutes away, you definitely can get it!

From Katie on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:07:54

What a spectacular weekend! Meeting so many Bloggers was a blast(and sort of a scramble to attach names to faces) The hospitality we were shown was tremendous. Matt and I were thrilled to have so many happy people to share our 'wedding cake' with!

It's been impossible to brood over missing my goal. I'm happy with the PR and knowing how to get those 3+ minutes back the next time I race(coffee a few hours before the race instead of 30 minutes!) My quads are 100% Out of Order, but my shin doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.

Marathons are a dime a dozen and I have until March. I'm not really certain when or where I'll try again. At least now, I believe that I'm capable. It's been 3.5 years since I've raced a successful marathon, so I had my doubts!

My secret, Josse? Just enjoy to run. Marathon training isn't so complicated. Run. Fuel. Rest. Run.

From josse on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:38:39

I think that is what I am finally getting back to, enjoying running. After years of running to accommedate other people I have finally decided to run how I want to and am enjoying it alot. thanks

From jtshad on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:41:17

Congratulations on the PR and the race.

From Paul Petersen on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:44:27

Katie, congrats on the nice PR. It was good meeting you.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:26:11

Katie:

Congratulations on a 9 minute PR! When I saw you I had a thought - she looks like a 2:33 marathoner that is out of shape. Not sure why I would think it, since your training has been very good, but on second thought it does some have value. Your 5 K speed is sufficient to run 2:40, and when you do something to bridge the gap between the 5 K and the marathon, the 5 K speed goes up as well. So in other words, if you took a 2:33 marathoner and got her out of shape, she would match your times on all distances.

The question is, if this is indeed true, then what needs to be done to fix it. I do not think it is in the training, it is more in the way you absorb it. First thing I would attack is nutrition, and I would start by not eating or drinking anything that you are not absolutely positive would make you stronger.

From Paul Petersen on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:40:32

In response to Sasha's comment, some of the disparity between 5K and marathon performance is simply a function of time. A 5K peak performance can come quickly, but marathon training cooks and simmers slowly over time. Good hard training over several years will allow your endurance to "catch up" to your speed. Your nice St. George performance is showing this is already happening. For me, I had a 5K/10K time out of college that indicated I could run 2:22 in the marathon. But my first several marathons were all 2:35-2:45. It has taken me 6 years since college to transpose my 5K/10K speed to the endurance needed for the marathon. Part of it was learning the tips and tricks to train properly, but the other part was just time. Good training + time = success. You obviously know how to train, and the PR's will continue to come as the training kicks in over time.

From Katie on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 18:11:59

Whoa! Sasha, 2:33? you've got to be joking. I don't believe in flattery. Giving it or accepting it. I guess saying that I look out of shape maybe balances the "2:33" comment though!

I'm definitely more motivated now than I have been in a few years, to get my mileage back up(110-130mpw) and to pay more attention to my diet.

I'll begin just as soon as I can run again! Only managed to jog 3 minutes today!

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 18:53:24

Katie:

You can ask Sarah - she'll tell you she's never heard flattery come out of my mouth even when the circumstances were pushing me with great force in that direction. I have a tendency to lay it down how it is, even if the recipient may find the truth shocking.

I do have some kind of an odd gift of discerning running potential, though. Sometimes I look at somebody and say to myself, if he or she trained right and recovered right, they could go that fast in that many years. I cannot quite explain the reasoning for it, but almost inevitably, they do get where I thought they would given enough time and the proper regimen. Of course, the manifestation of that gift may very well sound as flattery because, as we have already seen from many examples in the blog with people running "impossible" times, one's true potential more often than not is much higher than what he is currently doing.

From MichelleL on Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 21:49:16

Hey Katie, Still taking time off? (this is Tue 10-16)

From josse on Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 15:13:39

Katie- how are you? have you recovered form the marathon yet? Haven't seen anything from the blog from you. Hope you are doing well. Maybe you are on you honeymoon.

From Katie on Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 15:44:13

Hi, all!

I am sad to admit that I've been lazy and only logging on Athleticore.com. I've been checking in on the fastrunningblog. group occasionally and still feel somewhat connected to this group since meeting so many of you in St. George. I am hoping to come back to give SGM another try next year and see you all again!

About my running; I recovered from St. George and jumped in the Detroit Marathon on Oct. 21. It's a super well organized race and a fast course(and Matt was running his first marathon there so I figured why not give it a try?), but the day was extremely windy and after 18 miles I discovered just why people don't typically race marathons 2 weeks apart!

I'll try again in Tucson in Dec.

From josse on Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 17:02:14

I did Tucson it is a great race, small but it us like a mini St. George. It has the up and down just not as drastic.

From annie on Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 12:49:38

AWesome accomplishment! You should be very proud! No just get to a flat land race!

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fast finish

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Looking for some advise from some/one of you who does high mileage. I'm about to make my 4th attempt at an OTQ in Tucson on Dec. 2.
12 days.
My last marathon was Detroit, 18 miles of fighting a wicked headwind and then 8 miles of jogging just to finish(3:04). It was two weeks after St.Geprge and I guess I was still tired. So, I followed up Detroit with an 80 mile week, then  96 then 98. Each week I attempted to do a tempo run, 2 of them in XC races (the team needed me) and 2 on the track. Each time, I find that I'm barely able to run more than 10 seconds faster than my goal marathon pace! I've added strides a few times a week but mostly, it's jogging and tempo. I feel tired, but not overly so.
Any advise on what to do between now and Tucson? I'm worried that I've just lost too much speed or that because most all of my running is easy maybe my ability to run intensity has declined (but would that effect a marathon? )
I hate to admit it, but maybe 4 marathons in 3+months is too much....but is it, really? I haven't done them all out. The first one, Sept. 9th, I dropped at 19.5mi(too cold and rainy). The second one was St. George(2:50) then Detroit where I only worked the first 18 miles before jogging to finish.
Any opinions on what to do? I've already got my plane ticket for Tucson, so I'm going. But I'm not sure how to take the next 12 days.

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From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:12:35

I've had similar experiences on numerous occasions. This shutdown is not necessarily related to high mileage and back to back marathons, but high mileage and/or back to back marathons can definitely bring it on. Two things that have helped me get out of it - plenty of sleep, make sure to get to bed early, have a strict curfew. For us, it is 10 PM, or else Sarah smells my socks and I write a dictation in Russian (because smelling socks is not a punishment for me). Also, nap whenever the body asks for it. Sometimes you may not think you need a nap, if so lay down anyway for 20 minutes and see if it will happen. And second, religious carbo-loading throughout the day. I call this "stay lucid". If I find myself losing concentration at any time, I know it is time for a honey sandwich, and in some severe cases, Powerade. And if you feel hungry, eat something high-carbs with a good (ideally natural) balance of sugars right away. It is, however, not necessary to cut the mileage or do speed work, although I've had good results with 12x400 at mile race pace with a very slow 200 jog recovery to get out of this in the past. But sleep + carbo-reloading has been the most effective prevention and cure.

From Paul Petersen on Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:39:44

I think 4 marathons in 3 months can definitely wear you down, not just from volume, but also from a monotonous, overly-long marathon training cycle (ie - not interjecting a 10K or half marathon mini-cycle). But I don't think all hope is lost or anything. I often have trouble doing tempos faster than MP, and it is definitely frustrating. I wonder how I am supposed to run 26 miles at 5:20-5:25 pace, when I can barely do 5 at that pace in a tempo? But I usually just forget about the bad workouts and rely on high fitness to work with "race day magic", and it seems to work out. You are definitely very fit. I agree with Sasha to get as much sleep as possible. Take as many naps as you can. Hydrate the best you can, and stay away from all junk food. Also, do no more than two hard days per week, and run your easy days as slow as possible. That will make the workout days better. At this point you will not lose any endurance from a taper, so I would advocate lowering the volume to about 75-80 for this week, with a long run no longer than 15 miles. Next week try for 25-30 miles plus the marathon. Try a double with 2x1600m at 10K pace on the track during one session on Monday as the only workout, and then maybe on striders on Wed or Thurs. Hopefully that will put some bounce in your step.

After St. George, I only had 4 weeks before Trials. The first week I took it easy (~25 miles), then I did 87 miles, 80 miles, and 30 plus the marathon, so just a one-week taper, and no runs over 15 miles. I initially felt like I should have been doing more mileage, but in reality I didn't need any, because I was so fit from the previous marathons. So I focused on recovery and just sustaining fitness. It worked out, and I had a strong Trials race, better than St. George in fact.

Good luck with Tucson.

From MichelleL on Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 13:12:25

Hi Katie! I don't have any advice being a greenie and non-elite, but I am happy to hear from you. I lived in Tucson for three years, and it should be a good race locale. Good luck getting your OTQ. It is in you!

From Katie on Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 17:49:06

Thanks for the input, guys!

I will try harder to get enough sleep and naps between now and then.

I did 16x400 a bit slower than mile race

pace two weeks ago. It felt great while doing it(and easy) and I recovered quickly. I only did one workout like that though because I thought Tempo would be better. In hindsight, I maybe should have stuck to the short/faster stuff.

"stay away from all junk food"

Do you think my nightly gin and tonic should really be considered junk food? what if I add extra lime....

(see definition of tonic below)

tonic: Having the property of increasing or restoring the tone or healthy condition and activity of the system or organs; strengthening, invigorating, bracing.

Honestly though, no more alcohol until after the race. I usually cut it out anyhow. and a pure diet.

Also, easy runs will be EASY.

Hopefully this will do the trick.

P.S. Could I get a fastrunningblog. shirt? I'll pay for the shirt and shipping.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 18:05:49

Katie:

For the shirt, if Chad still has any left, send him a message - info on his blog. Also, we are creating a local Utah/Idaho (so far) based FRB racing team backed by St. George Running Center, and the shirts should be ready soon. They will be available to everybody else as well - to order one contact Steve Hooper (contact info on the team announcement news item).

For alcohol, if you have not heard it yet, I am a firm believer in complete abstinence. I've never had any, and attribute my ability to recover faster than anybody I know to staying away from alcohol and other potentially harmful substances. At least, the facts are that

a) Over the years I have abstained from potentially harmful substances more than any other runner I know or heard of.

b) I recover from races and workouts faster than anybody I know.

Some of it is in the training over the years - I have 50,000+ life time miles on the odometer, but that training would not have happened with this degree of consistency had I been sloppy in my recovery routine, and also the training overtime would not have borne as much fruit.

From Dee on Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 01:23:25

Katie,

Good luck at Tucson. I'm also going down to run the marathon. My goals aren't as lofty as yours but I'm hoping for a sub 3:15 and Boston qualifier.

From sarah on Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:19:31

Good luck Katie. I think you deserve it for all the work you've done. Happy running...and happy napping. Sasha's been saying all summer, "Naps make champions"

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

AM 5mi - very easy

PM 5mi - very easy

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

am  Cluver loop 5mi
pm Culver loop 5mi

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
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10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

am/pm same as yesterday

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Comments
From josse on Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 18:25:54

Hey it is good to see you back on the blog. I ran Tuscan and really liked it. To me it was like mini St. George it has the hills just scaled down. I think you can go faster on this course rather than St. George because it is not so pounding. Any way Good Luck!

From Katie on Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 20:49:50

Hey, Josse. Thanks for the info!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
9.000.000.000.000.009.00

am 5mi culver loop pm
pm 4mi treadmill

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.000.000.000.000.0011.00

fast finish

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.000.000.000.000.006.00

Gaige loop. 43.5. felt easy

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.002.000.000.007.00

Barton Hall, Cornell
4 x 800  (300m rec) planned on hitting only MP(3:10's).
felt like comfortable tempo, legs felt peppy.
2:53, 2:50, 2:52, ? goofed up the last one but similarly paced. felt great. no trouble. no pain. no straining. legs feel normal a gain. whew!

PM:  Active rest. 1 hr. nap. awesome.

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Comments
From Paul Petersen on Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 16:39:09

Good nap.

From MichelleL on Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 17:02:11

That's great your legs are feeling ready! I assume Tucson is Sunday? Best of luck!

From ArmyRunner on Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:00:35

Best of luck, we will be cheering for you!

From Lybi on Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:39:22

Good luck in Tuscon, Katie--you can do it!

Wow on those 800's too! That's a good sign. People don't usually accidentally run 20 seconds faster than planned on 800s. I think your legs are trying to tell you that they are ready!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.000.000.000.000.006.00

Gaige loop. easy.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
0.000.000.000.000.000.00

really, really, very much want to feel 100% rested on Sunday.

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Comments
From Dave Holt on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:34:26

Katie, what do you have on Sunday?

From Katie on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:45:14

Tucson 26.2

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.000.000.000.005.00

Rte 228. 38min. too cold for strides. I have just now realized that all I have to do in Tucson to get the outcome I'm looking for is to run just  like I did in St. George. minus the 7 minute per mile uphills, two pit stops and final 8 minute mile. SGM didn't hurt. I had a lot of fun there and ran comfortably the entire race (except for the last mile but that was probably psychological more than physical) So, I'm going to expect Tucson to be fun and easy.
Thanks for all the well-wishes from so many fastrunningblog'ers! I so much appreciate the input and encouragement!


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Comments
From jtshad on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:40:05

Good luck in Tuscon...go get that OTQ time, I know you can do it.

From Logan on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 12:06:27

Good luck in Tucson. Stay relaxed and get that OTQ!

From josse on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 15:45:18

With that kind of attitude you are going to do awsome. Good luck and kick some butt!

From Bonnie on Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 20:32:49

Good luck! You did remember your sneakers right?

Bonnie

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
11.006.000.000.000.0017.00

Fiddlesticks. Dropped out of Tucson Marathon.
Great course, well organized race, perfect weather,  potentially good company(group of girls also trying to qualify and Susan L. doing a training run at just the right pace) but I felt terrible from the gun. I thought I was perfectly rested and fueled, my head was in a good place, I was excited and feeling good.... right until I started running; felt short of breath and the type of stomach discomfort that I associate with lactic acid buildup(but, I was going slow!!) I let the girls go, just ran my own pace which had me passing them on the downhills and losing ground going up,(usually an indication to me that I'm tired but gets the same results in the end) I tried every bit of self-talk i could think of; slowing, going faster,  zoning out, focusing. nothing helped. every mile felt yucky.
2+ miles out to the Biosphere were uphill against the wind and 7:30/mi. I knew the way I was feeling that I would never make up those 2+ minutes in the second half. I gave it my best effort until mile 15, but it wasn't happening. called matt and jogged to mile 17 (then we went shopping and enjoyed the rest of a beautiful, warm, blue skied day)
Anyway, it was a great mini-vacation. I loved AZ. After a flight dealy due to ice storms in NY, I finally got home to a snow storm. yeah.
Time to regroup. take a rest(no running for a few days) and start a new cycle. 10k-1/2 mar training beginning with a phase of hill repeats and fartlek. I'll try again in Feb or March. Nothing like pushing it right to the line.

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Comments
From MichelleL on Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 17:25:33

Way to give it your best effort Katie. I am happy to see that the tone of your post is not negative. You gave what you could, and your body just didn't cooperate. I am glad you've been posting on the blog again. You are an inspiration to us all. Glad to know you enjoyed Tucson, my home for 3 years. It's a nice place to go this time of year, especially if you are coming from NY.

From josse on Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 20:53:28

Sorry to hear about the race, that is why marathoning is so hard it is such a long gosh darn distance and if you don't feel good it's hard to fake it.

What marathon are you going to try in feb or march? Keep blogging I like to read what you are doing.-K-

From Bonnie on Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:45:53

Katie, Houston is sold out, but I bet if you wrote to the RD and told them you were trying to qualify they would let you in -- it might be a bit soon (Jan. 13) but it is the fastest spring course and they have been very supportive to OTQ hopefuls in the past.

Smart racing -- dropping out when you did will give you time to regroup without too much damage.

Bonnie

From MichelleL on Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 20:28:25

Hey Katie,

So Benn, who lives in a rural part of New York and is on the blog, is interested in buying a gps watch but is concerned about whether the gps will be reliable. I would think it would be but thought you would know since you work in a running store and probably have one, or at least know people who do. Thanks! Michelle

From MichelleL on Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 20:29:37

Ok, he lives in Middlegrove, NY.

From Lybi on Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 20:31:31

Oh Man! Sorry Katie! Don't give up. You're about due for a big break.

From Katie on Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 13:52:34

Michelle,

My knowledge of various GPS's is limited. Ian, owner of the store that I work for, has more experience than I and can answer questions more thoroughly. If Benn is reading this or if you want to give him the info, he could contact Ian at customerservice@fingerlakesrunningcompany.com and they can also be purchased from the store online at fingerlakesrunningcompany.com. Many around here use them but I do not.

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6.000.000.000.000.006.00

w/Matt around CU. a little quick. legs felt pretty good (despite taking the last 3 days off running) 

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Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:14:03

Hey Katie,

Nice run this weekend -- a little different feel from your marathons? You did a great job!

Bonnie

From Katie on Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 20:06:01

Hey, Thanks, Bonnie! The race stunk, really. It seems that the only paces I am capable of right now are MP and slow. I'm looking forward to spending the next few weeks NOT thinking about racing another marathon. I have planned some fartlek and hill workouts. I hope that will help get some spunk back into my legs. It was fun to see so many people racing from all over the nation though.

From Bonnie on Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 20:28:46

Well, maybe it did not feel great, but you placed well and were second for the team, that has to be good!

You do need some down time to enjoy running again!

Bonnie

From Jon on Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 20:39:24

What is the cutoff day to qualify? I would find the last reasonable marathon before that and try that one. A nice recovery and then build up cycle with not having to worry about a marathon for 3 months would be ideal, after doing 2 marathons in 3 months and trying 2 others.

From jorge on Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 09:29:20

Why don't you just take a real rest break and then get back to training? You only take a day or two off at a time and then wonder why you feel like crap when you race. It seems that a week or two of complete rest might do you some good.

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228

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4.000.004.000.000.008.00

USATF Club Champs in Ohio ug. 6k, 22:55, mud, snow & puddles but, flat. I'm a mid-packer. gun went off and the field took off while I stood still. finally got moving about 2mi into the race. gave it a fair effort (considering it was the last thing I wanted to be doing this weekend)

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From josse on Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 23:14:50

Great job Katie.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
5.000.000.000.000.005.00

Ohio w/Jesse

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

IHF treadmill 8mph + 5min 9.5mph

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
9.000.000.000.000.009.00

15 x 1min on/off w/Matt & David

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
15.000.000.000.000.0015.00

Kelsey/Cayutaville loop. very slow

 

p.m. 5mi w/matt 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
7.001.000.000.000.008.00

IHF treadmill 8-8.5mph + 1mi 9.5. 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

Fartlek/Hill workout. 9x3min on/off.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
16.000.000.000.000.0016.00

@lake w/ Matt. 7:15-:30's.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
10.000.000.000.000.0010.00

IHF treadmill. 8-9.5mph. felt great

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
9.500.000.000.000.009.50

2.5hr  xc ski.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
6.500.000.005.500.0012.00

IHF Treadmill.
3mi wu (7.5-8mph)
11 x 1/2mi (10.5-10.9mph) / 1/4mi recovery jog 7.5mph
1mi cd
Whew! This was a tough one! Quit on #12. 

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Comments
From MichelleL on Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:59:41

11 of them is one tough workout. My treadmill won't go over 10 mph so you're lucky yours is fast enough for you. Is IHF a health club?

From Katie on Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 07:28:08

I can't say I would have minded having an excuse to not do that workout!

IHF is Island Health and Fitness, a health club, yes. It's only a couple years old, has everything; 2 pools, sauna, steam rm, ect. it's very posh. I love it. They have several treadmills, the biggest, and supposedly the best, being the Trackstar with built in fans and an enormous belt to run on, but I prefer the older, smaller, less bouncy Precor.

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6.000.000.000.000.006.00

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
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13.000.000.000.000.0013.00

+ weights

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
4.000.005.000.000.009.00

IHF  treadmill. yuck. 9.4 down to 10.2. planned for 6. quit at 5. felt harder than I like.

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Comments
From Jon on Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 21:35:27

Are you still running these days?

From Adam RW on Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:02:56

Sorry the race didn't work out for you this weekend. No matter how much prep you can't control the weather... I don't know what to tell you never having been in your shoes but thank you for sharing a brief insight into the experienc on Jeff's blog.

From jtshad on Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 17:14:26

Katie, come back on the Blog! Thanks for the kudos...it was great running with you at the Shamrock but I still wish we could have got at least a few of you across in time.

From Kerstin on Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 17:21:24

I just found your blog. Congratulations to all your accomplishments.

How did you get that fast? Do you have a coach? Do you train with a group? What training schedule are you using?

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